Talk:George H. W. Bush
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quickie: why was he knighted? Titles of Nobility Ammendment page says he had a GCB from Britain. Mrzaius 03:28, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
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Rise in politics deletion
Why has information been removed from this page? There used to be a brief synopsis of Bush's political career before the Presidency -- his 1964 run for Senate, his two (three?) terms in the House, his time as Director Central Intelligence. What happened to all that?
It didn't take me long to google up hundreds of pages about Bush and the Kennedy Assassination and Bush and the Bay of Pigs invasion. What's going on here? BL 04:09, 8 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Absolutely agreed. It's like he did nothing important between graduating from Yale and becoming President! I mean, being the US Ambassador to the UN and CIA director seem, to me at least, to be worthy points in his career. If you scroll back to Mid-November 2004, there was plenty of information available, but someone took it out.
- It's been readded by Shimgray. So I guess everything's Kool and the Gang now.
- Absolutely agreed. It's like he did nothing important between graduating from Yale and becoming President! I mean, being the US Ambassador to the UN and CIA director seem, to me at least, to be worthy points in his career. If you scroll back to Mid-November 2004, there was plenty of information available, but someone took it out.
Yes, I don't want to suggest that wikipedia join the cacophony of those vehemently critical of GHWB and his son, but if a debunking of something as trivial as the scanner story is linked, how about linking something that addresses the more historically important accusations against him? I haven't searched around, but here is one possible link. It was politically motivated (as stated in its introduction, it's a plea against his possible 1992 re-election) but very it's thorough (albeit perhaps a bit too presumptuous.) There must surely be other sites, maybe better suited for a link in this article, but much of this unauthorized bio should be available for someone interested. What it lacks in objectivity it makes up for by citing references to the information upon which its presumptions are made, and by addressing the fact that objectivity is a bit hard when any pertinent documents have been destroyed or classified as secret. Maybe it should be linked at the bottom. (I recall that MLK Jr.'s wiki-page has both pro-MLK and,incidentally, more anti-MLK Jr. links) http://www.tarpley.net/bush1.htm
Why remove the presidents table from George H. W. Bush? It has a much right to belong there as pages for other presidents. --65.73.0.137
New Portrait
I put up a new photo of Bush.- User:MikeAssad
- I don't think it is appropriate. The photo in the chart should always be the "official" portrait, if possible, from when the President was in office. A recent photo is not as good, it could potentially confuse people. user:J.J.
- He's still a very visible figure. It should be the official portrait for, say someone like Nixon, who is dead, but GHW is still very active and speaks a lot. Mike 03:18, May 23, 2004 (UTC)
- All of the other presidents have either their official portrait or their official photo. Jimmy Carter is also "very active and speaks a lot," and Wikipedia is using his presidential photo. Same deal for Bill Clinton. Chrisn4255 21:26, 25 May 2004 (UTC)
Spaces in H. W.
Should there be spaces between the "H" and "W"? Shouldn't it be "George H.W. Bush" instead? User:MikeAssad
There shouldn't be any spaces. 69.19.2.225 05:18, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
The funeral pic in this article
Unlike the Barbara Bush article, this one has copious white space. Is there any other good reason to have it gone from here? WhisperToMe 05:41, 26 May 2004 (UTC)
- In the funeral pic, he is not the main subject. There is good reason to find one that is more relevant to the subject at hand. I'm sure many exist online. The Reagan library one already portrays all the fmr presidents.--Jiang 00:27, 27 May 2004 (UTC)
Gerald Ford and George Bush Sr. are 7th Cousins
For my fellow genealogy buffs. President Gerald Rudolph Ford and George Herbert Walker Bush "Sr." are 7th cousins. Their common ancestors are Hendrick “Henry” Vanderburgh b.1685/86 and Maria Magdalena Knight . Their family’s resided in the Dutchess County, New York area. Lori Brill McKee lbrill@kdsi.net
Iran-Contra
Shouldn't there be some information on Bush's involvement in Iran-Contra and his midnight pardons of the major Iran-Contra players like Caspar Weinberger?KrJnX 15:44, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)
- Go for it! Off the top of my head, Bush was cleared by the Congressional committee, and no charges against him were presented to the grand jury by the Office of the Independent Counsel. The other five pardoned by him on December 24, 1992 were Alan Fiers, Robert MacFarlane(sp?), Clair George, Duane Clarridge(sp?), and Elliott Abrams. Hope that's enough to get you started. Ellsworth 17:15, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Zapata Oil
Removing this until a source is cited
- Bush ran a company called Zapata Oil which is rumoured to have operated as a CIA front and to have been involved in the Bay of Pigs fiasco.
Articles should not include mere rumors unless they are in and of themselves significant in some way.
Ellsworth 17:34, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Quote
One quote, and it's that athiest quote? I don't doubt he said that, but it hardly seems representative. He isn't all that well known for his position on athiesm. How about "Read my lips, no new taxes"? How about something relating to the invasion of Iraq?
- "I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God." [http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=George_H.W._Bush_and_the_Atheists]
I removed from article. Disinfopedia is not, I think, regarded as a reliable NPOV source. Am I right on this? Ellsworth 19:27, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Gulf war
I edited the paragraph on the Gulf war and Bush's reasons for not going further–the section made it look like the US did not invade Iraq in 1991, when it did - it occupied a section of territory south of the Euphrates river until the cease-fire agreement. Ellsworth 23:15, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Reagan link
Whats with that Reagan link in the table on the right? (edit) sorry, I understand now. I think it is a bit confusing though...
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What's confusing about it? 69.19.2.225 12:27, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Incorrect Successor
The bio lists George H.W. Bush's successor as Vice President as Albert Gore. In fact, his successor was his own VP Dan Quayle.
I assume that Mr. Gore is listed because he came into office when a Democratic Administration took office, ending the control of the Executive Branch the Republicans maintained since 1981.
If so, this assumes a relationship between political parties and the Consititional offices of the Executive branch that does not exist, at least formally. The US Constitution does not make any reference to political parties and office holders do not represent the parties.
Whatever the reason, the line of Vice Presidential succession was from George H.W. Bush to J. Danforth Quayle.
Political history section
It seems someone deleted any history of his time before becoming President way back in November, and for some reason the vandalism was never caught (! - see [1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=George_H._W._Bush&diff=7913469&oldid=7868754)). I've added this back into the article, with the exception of the line about him in the CIA. I don't know if this is accurate, but a google on 'bush 1959 cia' [2] (http://www.google.com/search?q=bush+cia+1959&sourceid=opera&num=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8) throws up a lot of links that look mildly, um, suspicious. Fails the sniff test, that sort of thing; as such, I've left it out for now. (The removed sentence, incidentally, was "It is believed he joined the CIA as agent in 1959, and was involved in the Bay of Pigs Invasion in Cuba in 1961." - it was originally the first line under "Rise in politics", to save anyone looking for it. Shimgray 21:22, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)
objectiveness
Again, I am amazed at the level of detail that is spent on embellishing any derogatory implications in this article and the article on George W. Bush, yet the lack of detail on other articles, such as the one on Bill Clinton. In fact, if there is a mention of a derogatory implication in Bill Clinton's article, it is then justified by mentioning that someone in the Republican party had once been accused of the same incident(which I see no documentation of). I certainly hope that people, especially young impressionable folks, will also compare the objectiveness of your authors and view a lot of this as one sided commentary. baby boomer
What, specifically, do you mean? 69.19.2.225 12:29, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
American Indian Ancestors
George Herbert Walker Bush and his son George Walker Bush are the first USA Presidents descendned from American Indians -- the Wampanoags of Massachusetts and Naragansetts of Rhode Island.
So the Rule by American Indians or Breeds of their own land "returns" after being lost 300 years before.
"Blue states"
I think this line should be modified:
including Pennsylvania, Illinois, and California, which have since gained the reputation as "blue states" that favor the Democratic Party in presidential elections.
Pennsylvania is considered a swing state that only very mildly favors Democrats, unlike the other two which were considered all but impossible for the younger Bush to win in the 2004 election.
Maryland might be a better choice. More a thought than a complaint, I suppose.
69.19.2.225 12:26, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Amassador Bush?
What is your source for this "official protocol"? I googled "Ambassador Bush" and couldn't find any present-day references to Bush by that name. And besides, wouldn't his highest previously held title be Vice President or President of the Senate? --Canoeguy81 06:43, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)
1988 Campaign
I dropped the bit about "Dukakis inherited the program and played no part in deciding whether to furlough Horton". True, the program began under Frank Sargent, but Dukakis vetoed legislation which would have made prisoners of Horton's class ineligible for furlough. He supported furloughs until the spring of 1988 when the publicity from the Horton case impelled the Mass. legislature to abolish it. Ellsworth 20:13, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
NOTE: If you look up Barbara Bush's wiki it shows that they had 6 children, but here on George H.W. Bush's wiki it shows they have 7. Which is it?
- Barbara's page is probably leaving out Pauline Robinson Bush ("Robin") who died in childhood. Mwanner 20:33, May 27, 2005 (UTC)
